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September 26th Debate

Who do you think won?

  • Obama

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • McCain

    Votes: 4 40.0%
  • Neither

    Votes: 3 30.0%

  • Total voters
    10
I somehow watched the entire 90 minute debate and i'm obviously going to say that McCain won but you should make a poll asking who we thought won.
 
While I obviously think that Obama's policies are superior, I don't think that either candidate 'won' the debate. They both countered each other well, and no one scored a truly decisive blow.
 
Well it seemed to me that the biggest and most used (and overused) argument McCain had was "experience". He kept talking to Obama like he was some young inexperienced moron who thought running for president would be fun, which really pissed me off on account of he acted like a dick by doing that.

I thought Obama had a great quote here:
"You like to pretend the war started in 2007 - you talk about the surge. The war started in 2003. At the time, when the war started, you said it was going to be quick and easy. You said we knew where the weapons of mass destruction were. You were wrong. You said that we were going to be greeted as liberators. You were wrong. You said there was no history of violence between Shia and Sunni, and you were wrong."

McCain also mispronounced Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's name (the Iranian president) and called the Palestinian president by "Qadari", whose name is actually Asif ali-Zardari.

The most important reason I support Obama is because he intends to end the war, unlike McCain who wants to continue it. It seems McCain doesn't know or doesn't care too much about the war or foreign policy which would be extremely dangerous in the situation America is in already. I think McCain's the one who's not ready for office.
 
Well, I think they both brought up many good points, but when the economy came up, it seemed to me as thought they both sorta skated around it. I was disappointed that neither of them really addressed it as fully as they could, especially since it is, at the moment, a most prevalent issue. It was rather difficult for me to elicit the valuable, true information from the drivel that seemed to be coming from both candidates.

Oh, and did anyone notice the weird little quirks they both had? I found it particularly amusing. For example, McCain losing his temper and Obama's silly grin?

As to who won, well... Is it a spectator sport now? I don't think there really was a 'winner.' They both talked about their platforms and why it is better than that of the other man. Certainly you can favor one candidate, but I don't think either of them 'won' because it isn't exactly that kind of an event.
 


Oh, and did anyone notice the weird little quirks they both had? I found it particularly amusing. For example, McCain losing his temper and Obama's silly grin?

As to who won, well... Is it a spectator sport now? I don't think there really was a 'winner.' They both talked about their platforms and why it is better than that of the other man. Certainly you can favor one candidate, but I don't think either of them 'won' because it isn't exactly that kind of an event.
What temper? What grin?

And of course there is a winner or loser. The candidate that persuaded more voters to choose them as their next president is the one that won.
 
And of course there is a winner or loser. The candidate that persuaded more voters to choose them as their next president is the one that won.

I'd agree with you on that as a standard for 'winning' a debate. I don't really think however, that the debate has caused any detectable shift in the overall shape of the race. There a probably a handful of voters who decided one way or another due to the debate, but the amount is probably less than what would be needed to declare a clear 'winner'.
 
Well it seemed to me that the biggest and most used (and overused) argument McCain had was "experience". He kept talking to Obama like he was some young inexperienced moron who thought running for president would be fun, which really pissed me off on account of he acted like a dick by doing that.
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NEWS FLASH! Experience is good. Inexperience is bad. You can't overuse it.
In my opinion, Obama skated around subjects much more than McCain.

I also thought the way McCain just kept talking when Obama tried to interrupt was a good tactic. What were your thoughts on this instance?

Obama stuttered. A lot.
 
NEWS FLASH! Experience is good. Inexperience is bad. You can't overuse it.
In my opinion, Obama skated around subjects much more than McCain.

I also thought the way McCain just kept talking when Obama tried to interrupt was a good tactic. What were your thoughts on this instance?

Obama stuttered. A lot.
You can overuse it, it happens primarily when you have no other reason why people should vote for you other than "I'm experienced...yeah..."

And Obama's occasional stuttering is probably not as bad as mispronouncing the name of the president of the country you want to go to war with and messing up who the president of Pakistan is. Honestly, he's gonna offend someone (if he hasn't already (which I'm fairly sure he has)).
 
Certainly it does help to have experience, but does that necessarily mean that the person will do a better job? George W. Bush had lots of experience yet he drew a rather small approval rating. (This is completely unrelated to any personal opinion of mine, I'm simply making a statement.)

Experience is a wonderful thing, but it doesn't define the validity of a candidate.

I believe that either McCain or Obama would make fine presidents for very different reasons.

Sometimes it's more important to look at the actual platform of the person rather than their number of years in an office.
 
Certainly it does help to have experience, but does that necessarily mean that the person will do a better job? George W. Bush had lots of experience yet he drew a rather small approval rating. (This is completely unrelated to any personal opinion of mine, I'm simply making a statement.)

Experience is a wonderful thing, but it doesn't define the validity of a candidate.

I believe that either McCain or Obama would make fine presidents for very different reasons.

Sometimes it's more important to look at the actual platform of the person rather than their number of years in an office.

Mind you Bush's approval ratings were fine until the second term, where all other presidents' approval ratings fell as well.
 
Fair enough, dearie, but I still think that having lots of experience is only one thing to be considered when making your choice.

The whole point of the debates is for each candidate to explain their platform and why it is better than that of the other man, as I have already mentioned.

I think the actual platform of the person is the first thing that should be considered. What does the person stand for? What are they going to do for the country? How is it going to affect you personally?

Next should come the character of the candidate. We could have the person who ignores everything and lets crime take place, pretending nothing is wrong and simply telling the people what they want to hear. We could also have that person with the atomic personality who will engage the country in war for ridiculous reasons. We could also have a crazy person who decides to overthrow the government of another country and organize a revolution there just so something will work more to our advantage. We could also have a very uneducated person who has no idea as to why they make certain decisions, but they do it because it's what they think will please the people. Who do you want with their hand on the trigger?

Then, I think, should come experience. We could have a very experienced person leading the country. When faced with conflict, he will have no difficulty in making important decisions. Though, not all experience is good experience. Then we could have the inexperienced person who is not fully capable of running the country and handling conflict. However, they could also surprise the country with spontaneous, fresh new ways in which to handle problems.

You need to know what you are choosing. That, I believe, is the point of these debates.
 
It's starting to look like I may have been wrong. Since the debate, Obama has moved upward in the polls. It's hard to tell right now, if this is due to the debate, general electoral trends, or just random statistical noise, but it seems plausible that the shift is partly due to the debate.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14042.html

Any reason Obama is growing in the polls is strictly due to the fact the bill in Congress was shot down. Everyone blames everyone else, but no one steps up to take responsibility. Thing is, Democrats rule the Congress and the House. Therefore, should not the bill have passed? Some Republicans voted for it to pass, but still, it failed! Wanna know why? A fair number of Democrats must voted No. Still, Republicans are blamed, causing Obama's popularity to grow.
 
Any reason Obama is growing in the polls is strictly due to the fact the bill in Congress was shot down. Everyone blames everyone else, but no one steps up to take responsibility. Thing is, Democrats rule the Congress and the House. Therefore, should not the bill have passed? Some Republicans voted for it to pass, but still, it failed! Wanna know why? A fair number of Democrats must voted No. Still, Republicans are blamed, causing Obama's popularity to grow.
Your arguments are all assumptions. You have no proof and everything you claim is based on personal theory not backed by anything. You take your position only because you are a republican and you don't consider any evidence of anything that you have just pushed on us. Please provide some sufficient reason or reasons against the previous post why Obama's gaining power because the bill was turned down, why everyone blames the republicans while the democrats are the reason the bill didn't pass, and why democrats are the reason the bill didn't pass.
 
Your arguments are all assumptions. You have no proof and everything you claim is based on personal theory not backed by anything.
You take your position only because you are a republican and you don't consider any evidence of anything that you have just pushed on us.

I can't vote, therefore, am not affiliated with any political party. I am appalled you would make such a statement without stating facts. I prefer McCain over Obama, who cares? Doesn't mean I'm Republican. It just means I am not bought with his words. As for evidence, it is common knowledge that the House and Congress is dominated by Democrats, who want the government more involved in our lives. The government sweeping in and sopping up our outrageous mess is pretty big.


Please provide some sufficient reason or reasons against the previous post why Obama's gaining power because the bill was turned down, why everyone blames the republicans while the democrats are the reason the bill didn't pass, and why democrats are the reason the bill didn't pass.

Why do people blame Republicans? Well, the perfectly understandable reason is the fact the Bush administration is Republic. Anything large in the danger level will probably be blamed on the incumbent party.

Democrats > in House and Congress than Republicans. In order to not seem repetitious, check the previous statements.
 
I can't vote, therefore, am not affiliated with any political party. I am appalled you would make such a statement without stating facts. I prefer McCain over Obama, who cares? Doesn't mean I'm Republican. It just means I am not bought with his words. As for evidence, it is common knowledge that the House and Congress is dominated by Democrats, who want the government more involved in our lives. The government sweeping in and sopping up our outrageous mess is pretty big.




Why do people blame Republicans? Well, the perfectly understandable reason is the fact the Bush administration is Republic. Anything large in the danger level will probably be blamed on the incumbent party.

Democrats > in House and Congress than Republicans. In order to not seem repetitious, check the previous statements.
I don't think I need "facts" to tell you that your argument doesn't have "facts", but I quoted you and that is my "fact".

The reason politics are so screwed up is because people say things like "I prefer McCain over Obama, who cares?", if you're going to take a strong stance like the one you took in this thread, you should care a lot about who you support.

The Bush administration was exactly what the Republicans wanted and you can't claim that Bush has had no effect on our current situation. It is his and his eight years in office's fault that America is suffering economically right now. A president should be able to take care of these situations, and if he can't there is no reason to blame the House and Congress, it is simply what people have voted for.
 
Well, I think they both brought up many good points, but when the economy came up, it seemed to me as thought they both sorta skated around it. I was disappointed that neither of them really addressed it as fully as they could, especially since it is, at the moment, a most prevalent issue.

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Oh, and did anyone notice the weird little quirks they both had? I found it particularly amusing. For example, McCain losing his temper and Obama's silly grin?

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The focus of the debate was foreign policy, and thus the candidates were at least partially justified in skirting that issue. The economy will be the focus of one of the later debates, though now would be a good time for it, in retrospect.

I'm thinking one caused the other, in a rather circular pattern.
NEWS FLASH! Experience is good. Inexperience is bad. You can't overuse it.

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I also thought the way McCain just kept talking when Obama tried to interrupt was a good tactic. What were your thoughts on this instance?

Obama stuttered. A lot.
Did you see Biden's rant after the debate was over? It was 5-10 solid minutes of attacking McCain on factual errors, all done cold. It's stuff like that that reminds me Biden has more 'experience' than all three other ticket members combined, including McCain.

If you say something about someone, and that person attempts to interrupt to explain why everything you just said is an out-and-out lie, and you're too wrapped up in spinning your own story to listen, that isn't a tactic - that's arrogance.

Not too much, but an unusual amount. Odd.
I can't vote, therefore, am not affiliated with any political party. I am appalled you would make such a statement without stating facts. I prefer McCain over Obama, who cares? Doesn't mean I'm Republican. It just means I am not bought with his words. As for evidence, it is common knowledge that the House and Congress is dominated by Democrats, who want the government more involved in our lives. The government sweeping in and sopping up our outrageous mess is pretty big.

Why do people blame Republicans? Well, the perfectly understandable reason is the fact the Bush administration is Republic. Anything large in the danger level will probably be blamed on the incumbent party.

Democrats > in House and Congress than Republicans. In order to not seem repetitious, check the previous statements.
Oops. The Senate currently stands at 48/48/1/1. The ones are a socialist, and Liberman. That's a tie, with Cheney breaking the tie. Republicans control the Senate.

Oh, you are allowed to support McCain without being Republican. If you do so without presentable reason, however, then you're a fanatic. Explaining positions is a good thing.

I don't think I need "facts" to tell you that your argument doesn't have "facts", but I quoted you and that is my "fact".

The reason politics are so screwed up is because people say things like "I prefer McCain over Obama, who cares?", if you're going to take a strong stance like the one you took in this thread, you should care a lot about who you support.

The Bush administration was exactly what the Republicans wanted and you can't claim that Bush has had no effect on our current situation. It is his and his eight years in office's fault that America is suffering economically right now. A president should be able to take care of these situations, and if he can't there is no reason to blame the House and Congress, it is simply what people have voted for.
RAmen.

I would say that the Bush Administration was a Republican dream right up to the point where the public realized the man is an idiot and voted in '06.
 
I don't think I need "facts" to tell you that your argument doesn't have "facts", but I quoted you and that is my "fact".

The reason politics are so screwed up is because people say things like "I prefer McCain over Obama, who cares?", if you're going to take a strong stance like the one you took in this thread, you should care a lot about who you support.

The Bush administration was exactly what the Republicans wanted and you can't claim that Bush has had no effect on our current situation. It is his and his eight years in office's fault that America is suffering economically right now. A president should be able to take care of these situations, and if he can't there is no reason to blame the House and Congress, it is simply what people have voted for.

It was actually the fault of those people betting that the stock would fall. You can do that. It's stupid, but you can. So, it wasn't all Bush's fault, a good portion of it should be placed upon the people who acted idiotic and played the odds. Some businesses should be blamed as well. They took out loans, flopped, and left debt at our door.

I'd also like to make the statement that I am not a credible course of knowledge to be quoted.
 
It was actually the fault of those people betting that the stock would fall. You can do that. It's stupid, but you can. So, it wasn't all Bush's fault, a good portion of it should be placed upon the people who acted idiotic and played the odds. Some businesses should be blamed as well. They took out loans, flopped, and left debt at our door.

I'd also like to make the statement that I am not a credible course of knowledge to be quoted.
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Ooooookkkk.

Silly me, I thought it was the end result of a long history of deregulation and greed in a multi-trillion dollar arena. Tracing the current crash to a specific bill or act is idiocy; the actions of a global economy can only be understood in terms of sweeping forces and economic inertia. My source.
 
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